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Nige

To try to keep the initial page as inviting and clutter free as possible, would it visually be better for the tags to become sub headings in the forum section itself ?
The SA forum had the initial category and then essentially a list in latest post order. Not the best way to find subjects you were interested in.
My suggestion would be to take the tags showing on the landing page and use the main ones for sub headings in the category of recovery for example ?
The tag concept which cuts across forum headings seems a good idea to me. Bring back every post with the word movement in it or pain ? A search tool effectively?
The other option might be to try to control the posts ? Let the landing page have much simpler headings. Stroke Recovery, stroke life, stroke stories, stroke support, stroke research, fun, welcome.
Each forum would have a sub category a,B,c,d other

Simon

Hi Nige
I’m not entirely understanding what you mean in the first 2 ideas but I get the concern about the top level page becoming too busy. In Nige - Entirely agree 🙂 the editing is ‘in-progress’ and segmentation of info to match our initial ability to receive is in-focus - It’s @EmeraldEyes’s focus/lived-experience too

2 Platforms 2 interfaces

Desktop

If Admin | Basics | Home Page is set to "Tags"

{Home Page set to Tags accessed DeskTop}

If Admin | Basic | Home Page is set to "All Discussions"

{Home Page set to All Discussions accessed DeskTop}

Mobile

If Admin | Basic | Home Page is set to "Tags"

{Home Page set to Tags accessed Mobile}

If Admin | Basic | Home Page is set to "All Discussions"

{Home Page set to All Discussions accessed Mobile}

Current Status Quo for me

I’m using the mobile APP (mostly the same with the web browse on mobile)
Site default is Tags. So on a mobile I’m seeing each category (1st Level Tag) set out one below the next n a scrollable list.
Each with a description of why it’s here and with the list of subcategories (2nd Level Tag) contained.

When I click either a 1st/Top level Tag/Category OR a 2nd/Sub-Level Tag/ Category I see a list of ALL the Threads with-in the Tag chosen.
First in the list of Thread are the Pinned ones. Then the rest in chronological order (Don’t yet know if unRead are ahead of Read or all are just time order)

A view ofthe Mobile Top Page Selector Mobile View Above

Every item listed has the Author and whether I’m ‘following ⭐️’ the thread, the Thread’s title, The full set of tags applied to it, How many views 👁️ it has had and how many posts have been made in reply
I can switch between ‘Top Level by Tags’ or ‘A Selected Tag’ or ‘All Discussions’ OR ‘All Polls’ Or ‘Users’ OR ‘Private Discussions’ OR…
by using the selector at the top of the mobile page (Circled–>)

And that opens the choices page

AddTitle Mobile View Above

… which lists all the start pages/ Top Levels (so not 2nd Level) including the ‘Universal’ or non-hierarchical tags

On the Desktop interface

The Selector for the next Top Level Page is Above the Tiles in Tags/Category layout or in a menu down the Left-Hand-Side of the screen (do i put a ss in?

What Conclusions?

I share your concerns. I don’t have a clear design rule to follow yet! 🙁

Caio
Simon

PS

A fair bit of this post is/was experimenting with the formatting & other usability concerns.b One of which was saving a draft requires saying Yes to Discard Draft !!! and when swapping between pages on the Pand ‘Phone’ I had to reload the page or I got an out of date Draft - hmmm 🙁

Nige

The SA and other forums work on the basis of latest post first. If you were looking for information on a specific aspect of stroke or your type of stroke, not the easiest to navigate.
The latest post concept is useful for someone dipping in and out on a regular basis. What if you are looking for information relevant to you ?

One of the difficulties with a hierarchy is they are easiest with rigid control, ie fit your posts to this set up. They are hardest if there is complete freedom for users.
Do we have items that go across many headings ? Certainly.

Do we have two drivers, readability of latest posts and historical posts to help provide you with information about your stroke ? I am thinking two different approaches.
Does the historical posts concept fit nicely into an expansion of the welcome posts. Maybe simple up front, what sort of stroke ? Then provide explanation at this level, what next, branches a,b,c,d, explanations at this level as well ? (Plain English to demystify matters). No point having two pain sections though so not every limb is unique ? Lots of sections might be shared. The last level is all posts tagged with the same code

Simon

Nige
I’m drafting a reply your points 😄 are all valid and mostly catered for.

In fact in the intro to How To I’ve written exatly your commentary about categories and chronological order serve different needs with chronological good for the regular user

More when I get home from the markets 🙂
Caio
Simon

Nige

Simon I can see the Welcome page being of real value when you are here for the first time. Just as a suggestion, it could be fairly basic English with short points ? From memory I couldn’t take too much in initially, the scared point is so valid. Little short bullet points ? Info on the likely journey, hospital makes you safe. Then home or rehab centre. Home makes you feel exposed. Physio. Repeat Medication etc
What did we all want to know that we didn’t at the time ? Dispelling myths ?

EmeraldEyes

Nige When we originally did the welcome post on the stroke forum, I’m sure it was in short descriptive points with each expanding with further explanation when you clicked on the arrow. And each was written in short paragraphs with a view to the reader being able to stop at the end of any paragraph when tired and be able to easily find it again when they come to read a bit more. Particularly for those with aphasia, the shorter the paragraphs the better and every paragraph is a complete and valid point. A paragraph of written wordy waffle that doesn’t really say much is more likely to be skip over and can put off an aphasia reader altogether. 4 years on and I still have that issue, particularly when reading fiction because poor writers use waffle as filler to pad a book out.

Is the Welcome post up here? I thought I saw it but didn’t have time to look through it, and now I can’t remember where I saw it.

Simon

EmeraldEyes it’s THE VERY 1ST POST the landing banner directs to.

I haven’t finished conversion
https://stroke.logicalmodel.net/flarum/public/d/1-click-here-first-for-guidance/1

It’s post 1 of thread 1 !!

EmeraldEyes

Simon I know what we need Simon, a Bookmark button 🙂

Simon

Yeah I looked for one today - I found one today that has a less than totally positive write up

I can add one BUT the list of BM seems to reproduce the whole of all BM posts - it’s a start…
I was looking for alternates…

Google flarum extension for bookmark

Nige

In the WhatsApp group I posted the below
What did you think ?
I am conscious that changes are all falling on Simon. Is there anything easy like text improvements that we could pick up ?

Perhaps another item, info for carers ?

View the page as we were 1 month after a stroke ? Almost having to keep coming back to this ? No complicated words.

Review each page before go live, we all contribute ? against the general rules of, simplify, reduce, vital to know, nice to know, not critical, what can we improve ?
Overall rules ?? a) Inability early days to read any quantity of text
b) not familiar with medical terms
c) start with top 5 key items (or similar) ?
d) are there key items missed ? Such as How does feeling come back ? What is a typical journey ? Hospital (makes you safe)
Rehab (to help you physically recover)
Home adaptions (explain areas that might need to change)
Home at last (what to consider)
The GP’s role ?
Pain ?
Odd sensations ?
Where does support come from after returning home ?

For example, in the Welcome section….. Neuroplasticity . As a brand new user who doesn’t know stroke language, not heard of this, as an alternative
How does your brain repair ? (neuroplasticity) - is this actually a key item, possibly not as you can’t influence it ?

Post stroke (or TIA) might reasonably be divided into the first 6 months and the rest of your life.
100% a key item

Could be
Post stroke (or TIA)
The first 6 months and the rest of your life.

The first few months the body looks after clearing up oedema and necrotic brain tissue killed by the stroke…
Maybe the words in italics are not needed ? Technically true, a month, few months after the stroke do I need to know this ?

Top 5 subjects might be much better than a top 10 ?

Simon

I wouldn’t dumb things down on the assumption that everybody’s incapable.

People arrive with different degrees of cognition, ability to concentrate and everything else. Sound of the words won’t be known to people who they can either Google or ignore or ask.

We should play for the middle ground probably

I think the idea of ‘plan it all out in advance’ makes for busy work that doesn’t deliver much ( because we don’t know enough about how and where we’re going.) If we’ve got any big ticket items they would be worth taking notice of

In the main I think it’s suck it & see mostly 🙂

People who think “oh I’ve got something to say…” with a perspective to say it should ‘go far it’ then as the dust settles we can edit and promote and refine

Philosophy wise it’s not about ‘directing’ people it’s about serendipitously curating what is created by the diversity of the people we’ve got here

6⅞ hat size

Nige

Isn’t that initial window (which I x’d out and it’s now gone- which incidentally makes the landing page look so much better) with the welcome, things we wished we knew ….. I assumed, wrongly perhaps, that we would be populating it with useful info ?
I get the impression that’s more for the forum to do ?

I was under the impression it was more like a web page which was going to be populated with useful information? I take it thats not the case ?

Nige

This does look so much cleaner if that initial heading is removed, much more welcoming and the finished article ?

Simon

I think you’ve got it

When you arrive for the very first time it looks like

So you read the message at the top and it says Start Here recommended…

And then you arrive here

From this page you may or may not click the links and visit other pages but you should at least know that this is the start point, maybe clock the fact that it’s main colour is red

The next time you arrive You might have clicked the x on the first day message so you’ll have to go back to post 1 in thread 1 on your own But by now you can probably navigate without guidance

When you try and do something more and you’re a bit confused you can go back to post one thread one and I have it clear in my mind where we need further supporting handrails but that post one thread one has taken a fuck of a lot of effort to get to the point where it is now and it’s still not right but it’s getting much closer!
🙂

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